THE O'Bumma Thread - Original Vintage Edition

[boingo]

Sorry, this is off-topic, but related to an earlier post.

No, I think he'd be a pretty cool guy to go on a photo hike in Western Australia with. Let’s cool the rhetoric and be friends.

Suit yourself, cambridge!

While taking note your friend's unprovoked pot shots, here and throughout the forum.

I have already seen a lot of what I want to see in Australia. I've been to Sydney, Alice Springs, Bungle Bungle, the Great Barrier Reef/Cairns, Uluru. I've played tennis with the locals in Broome and substituted for a team member in a local tennis league in Darwin. I've found most Australians to be good, friendly people.

Unfortunately, I've never been there. I would love to go someday. I agree, the ozzies are great people...and I lov em all the more cause they stood with us in the PacificWar.

Yes, they did stand with America in WWII, as Japan was getting close to their shores. But I think the real defining moment for Australia militarily came in WWI, as part of ANZAC in the Battle of Gallipoli:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gallipoli

When I was in Turkey, I stopped by for a visit. It was an incredible battle, with huge loses on both sides, much of it due to disease. The Turkish to this day commemorate the efforts of both sides.

We have a public "holiday" for Anzac day on the 25th of April. While it is a day when all businesses close and is classed as a "public holiday" it's really a commemoration day to remember the Anzacs. In every capital city, there's a 6am memorial with The Last Post is played on a bugle followed by one minutes silence in memorium of the original landing in Gallipoli and those who lost their lives.
There's more about it here: http://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/anzac/

[ZiaAries]

When Russia attacked Georgia, McCain immediately called it an invasion, while obama asked both sides to show restraint.

With Pakistan in turmoil, who do you really trust to handle the situation? Musharraf resigns:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pakistan

I don't know about Obama, but McCain's response was somewhat shortsighted given that the US military potential is a bit stretched at the moment. And Russia is a bit more than Pakistan.

I don't think the Saddlebrook debate was one of Obama's finer moments at all. I also don't think he really believes in everything he says he stands for.

They say George Bush is religious, whew.....I have never heard a political candidate quote scripture as heavily as Obama. And he conveniently and completely by-passed the question about "when does life begin" in regards to abortion.

[Big Ben]

When Russia attacked Georgia, McCain immediately called it an invasion, while obama asked both sides to show restraint.

With Pakistan in turmoil, who do you really trust to handle the situation? Musharraf resigns:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pakistan

I don't know about Obama, but McCain's response was somewhat shortsighted given that the US military potential is a bit stretched at the moment. And Russia is a bit more than Pakistan.

I don't think the Saddlebrook debate was one of Obama's finer moments at all. I also don't think he really believes in everything he says he stands for.

They say George Bush is religious, whew.....I have never heard a political candidate quote scripture as heavily as Obama. And he conveniently and completely by-passed the question about "when does life begin" in regards to abortion.

cambridge, of course it is difficult for America to take on Russia. But that isn't the point. The point is that McCain had the experience and judgment to immediately recognize the Russian-Georgia situation as an invasion, while obama's gut reaction is that the Russians aren't the bad guys and he urges Georgia (and Russia) to show restraint. It took obama a couple days to realize what was going on, even with the help of the event unfolding (hindsight), the press and his advisors.

Zia, in the Saddlebrook debate a defining moment was when both candidates were asked whether evil should be ignored, confronted or defeated. obama weakly and hedgingly said it should be confronted. McCain decisively and passionately said evil must be defeated.

In these dangerous times, who do you want as Commander-in-Chief protecting your country?

[Cambridge]

Someone a bit more temperate, for a change. Being commander-in-chief is a tad more than rattling sabers, I'm afraid. I can’t believe that McCain didn’t see the same thing that Obama, you and I saw. I want someone in there who knows what to do, and all of the measures that are at his or her disposal (i.e. not just the military), and has the savvy to know when to use which.

TBH, I get the sense that McCain isn’t even in charge of his own campaign. Increasingly, I find him opting for code words and slogans instead of issues and—God forgive me for saying it—leadership.

You’ve got to admit, he’s got that constant ‘deer in the headlights’ look.

[Big Ben]

Someone a bit more temperate, for a change. Being commander-in-chief is a tad more than rattling sabers, I'm afraid. I can’t believe that McCain didn’t see the same thing that Obama, you and I saw. I want someone in there who knows what to do, and all of the measures that are at his or her disposal (i.e. not just the military), and has the savvy to know when to use which.

TBH, I get the sense that McCain isn’t even in charge of his own campaign. Increasingly, I find him opting for code words and slogans instead of issues and—God forgive me for saying it—leadership.

You’ve got to admit, he’s got that constant ‘deer in the headlights’ look.

So are you saying that Russia didn't invade Georgia?

If not, what were Russian troops doing in Georgia when they were displacing civilians, blowing up infrastructure and setting up shop as close as 30 miltes from the Georgian capital? Why won't they leave and why in NATO expressing displeasure?

[Lena]

Obama is on the eve of anoucing his running mate . They say on tv will be somebody who can appeal to blue collar white males ................I wonder who ?

Sad to say still think gramps is going to win . They say on tv he will name a right winger ...................lucky us

[ZiaAries]

Sad to say still think gramps is going to win . They say on tv he will name a right winger ...................lucky us

Really?


I sure do hope so. Obama can come back in 4 years when he has more experience and political maturity to offer us.

This is going to be another presidential race that could just as easily be settled by a toss of coin. It will be so close.

[Lena]

Between the lack of experience and being black am sadly convinced my candidate will lose.....................still am working for him next monday here.

Do believe gramps won't work out either and who knows what could happen concerning his age & having the C ?J ust hope his VP nominee isn't someone like Huckabee................

[ZiaAries]

Between the lack of experience and being black am sadly convinced my candidate will lose.....................still am working for him next monday here.

Do believe gramps won't work out either and who knows what could happen concerning his age & having the C ?J ust hope his VP nominee isn't someone like Huckabee................

Being black is an advantage for him. I mean, like 5 - 10 black people in the country won't vote for him? He has the hispanic vote as well and I "think" I heard 30% of the white vote. I'm not so confident that he will lose.

If "gramps" as you call him made it out alive thru the torture he received daily while captured, he ain't gonna die on us. I think he a tough and strong willed man. I watched an interview with his 96 year old mothers and the woman was sharp as a tack and she looked great too. He probably has great genes for longevity.

[Cambridge]

Between the lack of experience and being black am sadly convinced my candidate will lose.....................still am working for him next monday here.

Do believe gramps won't work out either and who knows what could happen concerning his age & having the C ?J ust hope his VP nominee isn't someone like Huckabee................

Or worse...a member of the mormon cult.

[ZiaAries]

Between the lack of experience and being black am sadly convinced my candidate will lose.....................still am working for him next monday here.

Do believe gramps won't work out either and who knows what could happen concerning his age & having the C ?J ust hope his VP nominee isn't someone like Huckabee................

Or worse...a member of the mormon cult.

Cambridge, Please, Get off the fence. Take a stance one way or the other. There are only two candidates to chose from. Yep, ONLY TWO! Or, You can keep beating them both down (mostly McCain), but what does that say about you? Are you a person that wants only to point out the bad without a shred of optimism? Please, do tell. Reveal something positive, have some hope and go with one candidate or the other.

A mormon cult? What about a Presbyterian cult? NO cult... it's "word play." Your words, not mine.

Why don't you join in the debate? So far you have played both sides of the fence. One wonderful and positive outcome for the Iraqi people, and due to the efforts of the allied forces is they actually got to vote for the first time for their choice of leader. That seems to have been forgotten that they didn't have a choice before we got there. As Americans, we have a choice for voting. Please don't take that freedom for granted.

[Big Ben]

Between the lack of experience and being black am sadly convinced my candidate will lose.....................still am working for him next monday here.

Do believe gramps won't work out either and who knows what could happen concerning his age & having the C ?J ust hope his VP nominee isn't someone like Huckabee................

Or worse...a member of the mormon cult.

Cambridge, Please, Get off the fence. Take a stance one way or the other. There are only two candidates to chose from. Yep, ONLY TWO! Or, You can keep beating them both down (mostly McCain), but what does that say about you? Are you a person that wants only to point out the bad without a shred of optimism? Please, do tell. Reveal something positive, have some hope and go with one candidate or the other.

A mormon cult? What about a Presbyterian cult? NO cult... it's "word play." Your words, not mine.

Why don't you join in the debate? So far you have played both sides of the fence. One wonderful and positive outcome for the Iraqi people, and due to the efforts of the allied forces is they actually got to vote for the first time for their choice of leader. That seems to have been forgotten that they didn't have a choice before we got there. As Americans, we have a choice for voting. Please don't take that freedom for granted.

Zia, I don't agree. cambridge is clearly a liberal who hates the conservative bush and the moderate McCain. He may not be thrilled with obama, but if you force him to choose between the major parties, he'll choose obama. After all, his pick was edwards, who gives the impression of being very liberal when putting on his politician hat.

Let sleeping dogs lie and hope he doesn't vote for either major party candidate

[ZiaAries]

O-tay Buckwheat. Ben, Your wish is my command.

[Lena]

On the nws they said McCain has no idea of how many houses he and his filthy rich heiress wife own ...............

This at a time when recession is taking hold.................

Am even more convinced now that he undertsands the lives of everyday people who are scrimping to make ends meet and living in terror they'll lose there jobs ................NOT !!!!

[dudeski]

On the nws they said McCain has no idea of how many houses he and his filthy rich heiress wife own ...............

This at a time when recession is taking hold.................

Am even more convinced now that he undertsands the lives of everyday people who are scrimping to make ends meet and living in terror they'll lose there jobs ................NOT !!!!

Interesting . . .

I heard that, and didn't think anything of it. He's wealthy, as they all are. I seriously doubt most of the top politicians really know every single thing they're invested in.

I'm not for McCain, personally, but because I don't think he's done a good job, therefore I don't support promoting him.

I'm not for Obama, personally, because he's clearly too inexperienced and unqualified.

There are tens of millions of Americans I can vote for (citizens over 35). It all depends on your goal. If you just want to be part of the "winning team", then you have to pick one of the two with an actual chance of winning. But if your goal is to vote for someone you honestly think will do a good job . . . then you are free to vote for anyone. Your one vote will not decide the election, so if anyone claims that by not voting for X you are actually giving it to Y they are lying, just to gain advantage for their chosen team.

Politics is a 'team' sport. By far most people aren't serious about politics, don't even pay attention in non-Prez election years.