America please F***k off

[boingo]

Everybody be cool..! Everything is going to be alright...!

Just Chill - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Nicely interjected.

I don't post much in the political section because I prefer only to post here if I actually have something to say.

I do read most of the posts though and have noticed and unsettling "Us" and "them" attitude developing between some members.
I think we all need to remember (presumably) none of us had anything to do with the world wars and most other major wars of the past. We don't have control over what happened. We only have some control over what may happen in the future.
Saying "We" did this, and "You" didn't do that doesn't help anything. It's making an impersonal debate personal by implying people belonging to certain countries are responsible for things that already happened and they had no control over and probably weren't even alive at the time.
I understand the frustrations caused by differences in opinions, but none of us are responsible for the past.

The UK, USA, Australia...etc. They're all great countries.

I hope my two cents worth has some meaning. I know this is only my opinion and I'll probably get slagged off for some of it, but I know this is just a forum where we debate things and everyone's opinions are valid in some way.

I agree with you on everything except Australia being a great country

Is that because I only used "etc." to cover New Zealand? Everyone knows Aust. and NZ are practically the same country. Our flags are so similar even people living in each of our countries get them confused. lol As far as I know we can even move freely between countries to live with no objection.

[Captain]

yeah I think we have dual citizenship automatically. and I don't know the difference between the flags
Does Aus have more, or less stars? I've never been patriotic so I wouldn't have a clue.

It was more just that it seemed like the obligatory New Zealandy thing to say
Kinda like how I get sheep jokes thrown my way all the time.

[Cambridge]

Everybody be cool..! Everything is going to be alright...!

Just Chill - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Nicely interjected.

I don't post much in the political section because I prefer only to post here if I actually have something to say.

I do read most of the posts though and have noticed and unsettling "Us" and "them" attitude developing between some members.
I think we all need to remember (presumably) none of us had anything to do with the world wars and most other major wars of the past. We don't have control over what happened. We only have some control over what may happen in the future.
Saying "We" did this, and "You" didn't do that doesn't help anything. It's making an impersonal debate personal by implying people belonging to certain countries are responsible for things that already happened and they had no control over and probably weren't even alive at the time.
I understand the frustrations caused by differences in opinions, but none of us are responsible for the past.

The UK, USA, Australia...etc. They're all great countries.

I hope my two cents worth has some meaning. I know this is only my opinion and I'll probably get slagged off for some of it, but I know this is just a forum where we debate things and everyone's opinions are valid in some way.

If you’re talking about myron and colonel debating over the relative strengths of the UK and the US, that’s been going on forever…and over hundreds of threads. Dunkirk and Normandy is just the latest iteration of the contest. Sometimes it can be pretty juvenile, but it’s always entertaining.

If you’re talking about al Qaeda and Spain and March 11, 2004, that’s a bit less remote, and much more topical. It’s a legitimate topic for this section.

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

[ZiaAries]

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

It's Lesley Nielsen NOT Lindsay Nelson

Come on Cambridge. The guy has been acting in movies since 1956.

[boingo]

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

It's Lesley Nielsen NOT Lindsay Nelson

Come on Cambridge. The guy has been acting in movies since 1956.

I thought it was Brigitte Nielsen.

Everybody be cool..! Everything is going to be alright...!

Just Chill - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Nicely interjected.

I don't post much in the political section because I prefer only to post here if I actually have something to say.

I do read most of the posts though and have noticed and unsettling "Us" and "them" attitude developing between some members.
I think we all need to remember (presumably) none of us had anything to do with the world wars and most other major wars of the past. We don't have control over what happened. We only have some control over what may happen in the future.
Saying "We" did this, and "You" didn't do that doesn't help anything. It's making an impersonal debate personal by implying people belonging to certain countries are responsible for things that already happened and they had no control over and probably weren't even alive at the time.
I understand the frustrations caused by differences in opinions, but none of us are responsible for the past.

The UK, USA, Australia...etc. They're all great countries.

I hope my two cents worth has some meaning. I know this is only my opinion and I'll probably get slagged off for some of it, but I know this is just a forum where we debate things and everyone's opinions are valid in some way.

If you’re talking about myron and colonel debating over the relative strengths of the UK and the US, that’s been going on forever…and over hundreds of threads. Dunkirk and Normandy is just the latest iteration of the contest. Sometimes it can be pretty juvenile, but it’s always entertaining.

If you’re talking about al Qaeda and Spain and March 11, 2004, that’s a bit less remote, and much more topical. It’s a legitimate topic for this section.

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

Nahhh
I didn't mean anyone specific or any specific thread. Just how sometimes people end up making a complaint about another person's country seem like they're blaming the individual for something they had nothing to do with, or similarly taking credit for something their country did when they had nothing to do with the past either. That's all.

[Bushwalker]

The French haven't forgotten you abandoned them either.

Do you mean like in Normandy?

Ever see the newsreels of the French babes kissing and hanging on the American soldiers in the streets after the Americans liberated Paris?

> Prostitutes, not babes... <

Ever been to Avenue du Président Roosevelt in Paris?

They have not forgotten you abandoned them.

They have not forgotten we didn't either.

Stick it to 'em Colonel - they've really lost the plot this week !!!

[Bushwalker]

As for Spain, they had already deserted most Western countries, and were standing pretty well alone, well before 9/11...

They have no extradition agreements with any of our countries - a lot of international criminals maintain summer houses in that country..

They are a tax haven for a lot of white collar criminals - Christopher Skase is only one of the most high profile, not the only one.

[Cambridge]

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

It's Lesley Nielsen NOT Lindsay Nelson

Come on Cambridge. The guy has been acting in movies since 1956.

I thought it was Brigitte Nielsen.

Everybody be cool..! Everything is going to be alright...!

Just Chill - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5OUI

Nicely interjected.

I don't post much in the political section because I prefer only to post here if I actually have something to say.

I do read most of the posts though and have noticed and unsettling "Us" and "them" attitude developing between some members.
I think we all need to remember (presumably) none of us had anything to do with the world wars and most other major wars of the past. We don't have control over what happened. We only have some control over what may happen in the future.
Saying "We" did this, and "You" didn't do that doesn't help anything. It's making an impersonal debate personal by implying people belonging to certain countries are responsible for things that already happened and they had no control over and probably weren't even alive at the time.
I understand the frustrations caused by differences in opinions, but none of us are responsible for the past.

The UK, USA, Australia...etc. They're all great countries.

I hope my two cents worth has some meaning. I know this is only my opinion and I'll probably get slagged off for some of it, but I know this is just a forum where we debate things and everyone's opinions are valid in some way.

If you’re talking about myron and colonel debating over the relative strengths of the UK and the US, that’s been going on forever…and over hundreds of threads. Dunkirk and Normandy is just the latest iteration of the contest. Sometimes it can be pretty juvenile, but it’s always entertaining.

If you’re talking about al Qaeda and Spain and March 11, 2004, that’s a bit less remote, and much more topical. It’s a legitimate topic for this section.

The references to “Western European leftist ingrates” and “smegma face” remind me of the argument between Lindsay Nelson and his adversary in the film Naked Gun—the one where they devolved to calling each other “poopy-pants,” etc. Now you’ve gotta admit that was a funny movie…and here we have it all on FF.

Nahhh
I didn't mean anyone specific or any specific thread. Just how sometimes people end up making a complaint about another person's country seem like they're blaming the individual for something they had nothing to do with, or similarly taking credit for something their country did when they had nothing to do with the past either. That's all.

Fair point, boingo. And zia, thanx for the correction. I knew I was wrong, but I just didn’t have the energy to go Googling at that late hour.

[Bushwalker]

(:commenting to the Colonel -)
..........................
.... I also know a "little something" about world history. I've probably been walking on Earth longer than you. I'm no child.

Do you have the ability to debate with anyone on this forum without resorting to insults and filth?

I believe the Colonel might be just a smidgin older than me.

[Bushwalker]

You will start another war ( cold or hot ) because you cant keep your big nose out of other man's business.

Patriot rockets in Poland , man how stupid can you be to even think that, then Georgia, its a bad thing but is russia's back yard and its better to stay out of there

But no they have to put their big nose in other man's business again.

Yes AGAIN.

What country do you live in?
I ask because if Russia or China finds your country attractive....
I want to be sure to stop our government from interfering with their plans.

If you has read some of Nikko's earlier posts, you would know that he had moved from Holland down to Spain. He's not Spanish...

[NoLies]

As for Spain, they had already deserted most Western countries, and were standing pretty well alone, well before 9/11...

They have no extradition agreements with any of our countries - a lot of international criminals maintain summer houses in that country..

Are you sure about that BushWalker, i seem to remember that Britain has extradited 2 or three criminals from Spain quite recently, and i thought it was said at the time that Britain had come to an agreement with Spain, that would end the days of the Costa dell Crime as they were calling it at the time.

If my memory serves me correctly Ronnie Night was one of the people extradited some years ago. Either way, a quick google, revealed three case's of extradition from Spain, which makes me think your wrong on that point.


http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2601836/GBP2-million-tax-cheat-extradited.html

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslEx_61/2796_61.asp

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/20/local/me-6253

[Bushwalker]

Some of the Euro' countries might be leveraging Spain into new deals in recent years...

Christopher Skase died in 2001 - they didn't have formal extradition agreements in place with most western countries at that time, plus they had a very corrupt court system that openly took bribes to keep people in the country..

That was 7 years ago, though - plenty of time for it's neighbours to start pulling them into line, what with the Euro' union agreements, NATO and what-not.

Still, Spain and Italy are both still riddled with corruption, are they not?

[stonecastle]

People forget that the USA donates billions of dollars of aid to foreign countries every year. Without that money many people in Third World countries would face starvation or death through lack of medical supplies.

Europe was also rebuilt after World War II with American money under the Marshall Plan. Which was a massive interest free loan.

[The Colonel]

People forget that the USA donates billions of dollars of aid to foreign countries every year. Without that money many people in Third World countries would face starvation or death through lack of medical supplies.

Europe was also rebuilt after World War II with American money under the Marshall Plan. Which was a massive interest free loan.

Strange the UK war loans weren't - the only purpose of those was to destroy the UK.

You failed.

[myron myron]

People forget that the USA donates billions of dollars of aid to foreign countries every year. Without that money many people in Third World countries would face starvation or death through lack of medical supplies.

Europe was also rebuilt after World War II with American money under the Marshall Plan. Which was a massive interest free loan.

Strange the UK war loans weren't - the only purpose of those was to destroy the UK.

You failed.

The most critical American assistance to Britain in World War II was given without expectation of repayment, namely the hundreds of thousands of American boys that fought in Europe and North Africa.

Leaving that aside, the UK was a greater world power than the United States going into World War II.

Why should the United States give an ostensibly more powerful country a free financial handout?

Given British national pride and dignity, one would expect the UK to refuse a free financial handout from the United States.

The combination of free American assistance and American assistance under mutually agreed terms requiring British repayment did not "destroy the UK" but saved the UK.