Usquanigo wrote:Koichi Ito wrote:Fe-male wrote:But a man in a dress trying to pass as a woman isn't a metrosexual man. A metrosexual man is a man who takes a lot of pride in his appearance, not a man who wants to pass as a woman. You keep moving the goal posts to suit your case.
See the subject, that's your subject not ours. Not TG/TV/TS men. Metrosexual men. That is men being men. Why would the wear heels?
This thing will change when Fashion Reformation or Fashion Civil Right Movement take place! In fact some Metrosexaul Men wears dress and high heel shoes. I think someone like Martin Luther or Martin King Jr. would be there to make fashion an Unisexual for good!
omg....
Take your head out of your ass for 1 single second.
Terms have meaning, no matter what you want to beleive. Metrosexual is NOT what you are talking about. Fe-Male is correct, YOU are INCORRECT (that is to say - wrong!).
And stop trying to relate this crap to religious or racial freedom or equality. What kind of out of touch ego do you have? Can you really be that dense?
No amount of wishing, complaining, or hand-wringing will change this. Deal with it.
I'm sorry, Usquanigo, but what are you so scared of that you have to angrily blast anyone who supports a more feminine look to men's fashion? I can understand that you're frustrated because you feel they are not getting what you're saying, but really...
The main problem with male clothing/fashion as I see it today is that it is all built on a brick frame mentality. At least in the mainstream. They are built in non-flattering styles that simply cover the body and do very little to accentuate. I mean, c'mon, who really needs a 10-12" rise on their jeans besides baggy clothing hip hop kids? Even low-rise men's jeans only go so far as 8". To get something more like a real low-rise, you'd have to spend several hundred bucks on a pair of Ruffskin or something (which a lot of those are plain obscene), or you can swing by the women's department in Wal-Mart and buy a pair of normal rise Faded Glory or No Boundaries for like 10-20 bucks to have a 6" rise. Hell, I only own 2 pairs of men's jeans at this point and that's just because I had them already and they cost $50-75 so I'm not throwing them out till they fall apart. I like the way they fit and look better than any men's jeans, and as a tall, slender male (I wear a 30/32 or 34 in men's or a size 5-7 long in women's), I think I should have that option if I choose without any ridicule for it.
Now the main topic of the thread started off with heels, but has gradually progressed into the same arguments that I see all over the internet about guys wearing women's clothes and such. I don't think there's anything wrong with men wearing anything they want as I stated before, but I will say that a lot of the time the ones you see should really rethink what they're wearing or how they're wearing it. Like if a 50 year old is going to go out in thigh-high 4" stiletto boots, he probably shouldn't be tucking his jeans into them as that just looks more like he's flaunting that he was brave enough to wear them rather than just wearing what he likes.
Now if you look here: http://stylebites.blogspot.com/2007/02/men-in-heels-next-big-thing.html there is a picture of what I would consider a metro-sexually dressed man wearing rather normal stiletto heels. I personally think that doesn't really look off or bad on him, but obviously opinions will vary.
I actually went out and bought a pair of stilettos rather similar to those in a size 11 just to see if it would look as good on me as I perceive them to look on him. I'm already 6', and 160lbs, but they didn't really feel awkward to wear, though they are a bit tighter than the bland old sneakers and dress shoes I'm used to. The thing that amazed me though, is that looking through the women's shoe section I had not realized the wealth of choice and style that they get even at a normal dept store.
There were 12 aisles of women's shoes and maybe 2 for men with a back row of work boots. I never really cared I guess because I was used to the stereotype that men's shoes were just crap to cover our feet. Looking at the women's shoes with an eye more for myself rather than just waiting for the GF to get a pair and get the hell out, I really began to understand why so many women fixate on all these shoes. So many that were similar with just a slight variation. Don't like the leather heels with the folded down flap on the sides? Two boxes over they make the same thing without them. Shoes that, while ignoring the heel, look and feel like they could be expensive men's dress shoes that costs a hundred dollars or more, are available in tons of styles for just 20-30 bucks a pair.
The really sad thing is, I recently bought a pair of men's leather ankle boots by Rockport for myself, and some of these shoes looked just as good if not better aside from the fact they were stilettos, but were 1/5th the price.
So the line of men wearing women's clothes and styles just really boils down to the fact that some of us have to either do that, or spend a fortune on the internet or in some trendy name store to buy something similar that is labeled as being for 'men' just to get what we feel is most flattering to us on our bodies. Hell those "Johnny boots" that were linked previously go for $500 and the only difference between those and the stilettos I bought from Wal-Mart for $20 is the style of heel (those are block heels, but still the same height of heel), and the squared toe vs the pointed toe.
Someone please explain to me why I should have to be financially bankrupt to have similar fashion options in "men's"?
So, Usquanigo, I ask why do you even care what other people choose to wear? And yes women do wear men's clothing all the time because I've had enough girlfriends raid my closet for my pants/shirts long before I even started buying or wearing women's jeans. My current one is actually the one who picked out my new jeans and I can't thank her enough for opening my eyes. Oddly, if she does steal my pants, she only steals the 2 men's jeans I still have now. She threw away most of the others because they simply were completely unflattering, which is the case with most male jeans.
Now, I know you might slam me for being an anon poster. Well, I googled a question about men/women fashion and got this thread as a result, and I doubt I'll be back for anything else so there's no need for me to bother with a useless UID and password that I'll never user again. My name is Justin and I'm from Kentucky...is that un-anon enough?
Anyway....just get over it man. You wear what you want, and others will wear what they want. Getting worked up over it just makes you look like a jerk and insecure in your own masculinity. They aren't hurting you.
That's really what the fight for equality here is about. If a woman can go out wearing baggy jeans and a wifebeater they stole from their man, why can't a guy similarly go out in tight jeans and a t-shirt? Me having women occasionally compliment me about the 'back view' in my women's jeans isn't hurting you, nor is the guy walking past you in the 5" spikes and a skirt. It's all just fabric and leather no different than what you're wearing, it's just cut differently to accentuate a different shape. Just like women, most men aren't shaped like | | after all, and not every guy wants wear pants where the rise either sits the waist of the pants on their navel, or puts the crotch of them between their knees, nor do they all want to wear the same old bland shoes for the rest of their life. I don't think I'm going to be going out and buying any other stilettos mind you, but I have noticed that in my 30 years on this Earth, most of my shoes have been basically bland variations on the same old crap.
by Fe-male on Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:20 am 